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Really fun game, have been playing with my brother a bit. We played our first default game while learning the rules, and immediately started an Epic length game after we finished. Some complaints though:

1) The deities don't actually do anything. Even dedicating a new religious site to a particular deity has to be house-ruled in. In my opinion, religions should almost work as a separate faction system, generating hostilities between those of differing faiths.

2) On the topic of generating hostilities, it is entirely possible to wipe out a hostile minor faction faction , not to mention a tribe, very early in the age of empires. This might not seem to be a problem, and it isn't... up until you roll a hostile attack, and don't have any faction that is hostile to you. Given the random nature of the game, and how some players will focus on defeating their enemies, this is probably going to be a difficult problem to solve. My workaround would be  to add a system or two: one to allow non-hostile factions to become hostile, and one to allow defeated factions to resurface (either through rebellion, in which case they are hostile, or through the granting of independence).

This leads me to another idea, not necessarily a complaint. Diplomacy is not acknowledged by the rules at all. While one could decide to have it happen on the story level, it would be nice to have, for instance, international incidents during the age of Rise and Fall. A system for alliances (say, they might support you in war), neutrality, betrayal, and grudges could be really fun.

3) This one is a complaint. There is no support in the rules for two empires on the same continent. While this does help with making the maps, especially when everyone is on a separate sheet, it isn't very realistic. As far as I know, there were multiple empires in Eurasia contemporary with Rome, Not to mention Africa, which technically is the same landmass.

Not at all sure how this could be solved, but it would be nice.

4) There doesn't seem to be anything one can do about options 1,4,5 and 6 on the hostile table. I mean, if one rolls a hero, they can take care of them, but then we run back into the first problem. They don't seem to count as factions, so they don't expand, they don't have settlements, so they can't be attacked, they just sit there, and destroy some of your stuff every so often. I doubt that the empires would wait for seventy years (the age of exploration) of semi-constant attacks before even considering the building of fortifications in the areas under threat.

5) I would also like to say that the duplicate rolls are far to common. Perhaps some rules on allowing a certain number of rerolls every age (maybe not complete, maybe just one die at a time) would help.

6) While the race table helps to add flavour to the world, it also sort of locks it into a D&D-equivalent medieval fantasy world. The provided resource table doesn't help. I don't really know how this could be solved properly, but it did rub me the wrong way: initially I wanted a no-magic world, but I'd have to cripple the engine to do that.

A thought: Perhaps as an expansion, a sci-fi colonisation/terraforming flavoured set of tables could be written. Or even the colonisation of a solar system (each map being of a planet and its moons). Might a license that allows such expansions be added (perhaps CC-BY-NC-SA or similar)?

Sorry if this comment is too negative, I really do enjoy this game, but I felt like a lot of things could be improved.

I am also aware that a few of my suggestions would add constraints where some people don't want constraints. Perhaps these could be added at the end as a set of optional rules?

🄯 Copyleft haivets. Any ideas may be freely reused. Attribution is appreciated, but not required.

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Cool game

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great looking map!  You really filled it out very nicely

Yeah! That is pretty cool. 👌🏻

Excellent work, sir. Brilliant stuff and I'm using it in conjunction with the brilliant World Without Numbers book by Kevin Crawford.

For those wanting less duplicate rolls, a simple solution: use a linear distribution with a single die.

Instead of 2d6 just use 1d12.

Instead of 3d6 use 1d20 and add variables to the unassigned values.

Be careful switching the dice around, it’s balanced to have some results pop up more often than some.  You may end with an extra crazy world, which might be a lot of fun 😂

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Absolutely love what you have created here! Quick question though, in Era 4 do each player roll 7 times or is it 7 times in total for the Era? 

Thanks!  it's 7 times for each player.

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I like to use different symbols for the different cultures on my maps. So I created this style sheet to help out when I need ideas.

Neat!

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Inspired by your videos on Wonderdraft, I went ahead and got it. And....

I spent far far too long recreating the A3 map long game I did with 2 others in my dnd group when the DM wasn't free last weekend. Looking forward to Gods and Goddesses! 

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fantastic!

Woah, that is insane! 😮

That hand island looks like the island in Planar Compass #1.

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It was cool to spend whole evening with my 4 year old son and my younger brother to draw maps, tell stories and laugh. Thanks! (Map is partly in polish, but it is not a problem to upload it, I guess 😁)

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Nice!  How did the 4 year old do with it?  I haven’t tried playing with my 4 year old, I’m not sure she’d have the patience. 😂

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Two things: he is very into numbers, so every dice roll was cool, and secondly, I just tried my best to tell funny, game-related stories and tales 😁

That is cute! 😍

Hey! This was a really fun experience for me, even solo. Probably took me about 1.5 hours for the standard one using hextml.playtest.net to do my map and add brief notes. 

My game summary is at the end of the post, but here's what I loved:

  • The game feels emergent as settlements change hands, are destroyed, and rebuilt. I could tell you the histories of various locations on the map, which is really cool. It feels alive.
  • I really like how each era gets progressively more dangerous. It meant I was invested in my kingdoms; I wanted to keep playing. 
  • It's smooth, simple, and fun which is great. I could get lost in simulating these little kingdoms forever and recording their histories.
  • Because it generates deep stories, it's a great way to develop a setting for a campaign of another system. I can already come up with conflicts and problems my players could get drawn into. 

My suggestions would be:

  • The minor factions didn't do much in my game except expand or get attacked by me (as player one and two). Instead of just expanding a neighbour at the end of each era, could you do a roll for neighbours instead with more interesting results? e.g. two minor factions go to war, two minor factions form an alliance etc. 
  • Because of how the 3d6 probabilities work, I kept getting the same results in a row. I just house ruled it and re-rolled, but I could imagine this might get a bit annoying with a long group game. You're eagerly waiting your turn... then get the same thing you got last time. 
  • Is there a mechanic you could add where you can choose to attack/go to war/build things rather than just relying on dice?

In my game, the hill dwarves in the west were almost wiped out by the accumulated pirate and bandit gangs (Sandstrider, Saltbeard, and Lazark). Their mithril gates were destroyed, their capital almost taken, but still they persist. Meanwhile the northern orcs spread peacefully.

In the east, the savannah orcs fought with the lizardfolk of the southern isle in a thrilling war campaign that bounced between 1s and 6s for a few turns. The demon cult on the island to the north grew in power, serving the vampire demon Ultruxya. They razed and took over a couple of orcish settlements, while the orcs drove out pirates on the eastern most isle to solidify their grasp.

Really, really fun.

Thank you for the suggestions, I'm glad you're enjoying it.

I'm working my way to build a bit more depth into the game but I always overdo it and have to go back and simplify, so I'll get there!

I added the 3d6 to try and alleviate some of the duplicates but you're going to get quite a few similar rolls throughout the game.  Nothing wrong with a reroll from time to time though, it's your world.  I'm trying to avoid any "ignore the dice rolls" rules though, I think even though annoying sometimes, it makes for some interesting worlds.

I've had a few comments coming through about making minor factions a little more interesting.  I added the quick "add a settlement" line after each era to help a little but I need to spend more time on it.  I'll probably add a d6 roll at the end of each era but I'm trying to take the updating in sections.

I was hoping to see a hex map in here at some point!  It looks great, and very discernable geographies.

This reminds me a lot of the pdf titled Dawn of the Worlds. If you're interested in how that approached worldbuilding, it might be worth a look. Here is the address. 

http://www.clanwebsite.org/games/rpg/Dawn_of_Worlds_game_1_0Final.pdf

Very cool, I completely missed that one when I was searching for similar map making things.  Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome. I discovered it when scouring the Free and Homemade RPGS on the internet when it was huge almost 5-10 years ago. 

I personally like the game much and await what will further come from it.

I have following suggestions after playing the game:

  • Add a legacy system for multiple games in the same world, each game would be an 'Age'
  • A mechanic or two for minor factions to make them more interesting
  • Natural Catastrophes: volcanoes that erupt, hurricanes that destroy entire cities, etc
  • Tech Levels, improving and declining in tech could add texture to the different regions if combined with the legacy system, for example in the previous age an industrial empire ruled large parts of the land, but now more primitive feudal lords or tribals inhabit their former domain

Good starting point. I think there's a lot of potential to grow. Perhaps optional rules around communities, deities, cultural development, technological development, etc.

For example, deities often develop around local needs/fears. For example, in my Ironsworn game, the climate is harsh. There's a deity of death and decay that hunts those who have too much and are unable to defend it. There is a saying among the people: "I can already see Darchma's crows flying." The people rarely name their children until their 7th birthday, because only a few live that long.

Thanks! Next update is planned around adding deities to the world.  I working on a way to add these sort of details in without overwhelming the game and taking away the simplicity of it.

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Had a go with two realms in a solo game, just to see how my map drawing works with the game. Super enjoyable!! Ended up with The Dwari Kingdom (Dwarves), and the Wind Bay Republic (Gnomes). The Reedaya (humans) also grew strong. What I particularly love is the flexibility of it! It's so simple, yet effective.

Your drawing skills are incredible!  Folks would pay for a map like that 😀

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Long game with 4 factions, everything went mad at the end.
Halfling Luck left them the clear winners.
*Settlement names on a different paper to not clutter up the map too much.

Nice!  I haven't seen a lot of 4 empire games, gotta really squeeze them in there :D

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Just finished my map. Had a race of peaceful Giants on four small islands.

Wow! Great looking map!

what did you use to make this map ?

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I used "Wonderdraft". Really like the layout of the map and totally recommend it.

Sweet map!
It feels well polished. 🤍

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I like your game a lot. I've finished my first solo game with two major factions yesterday. To get a timeline I decided to count each roll of dice as 100 years.

The west is dominated by the High Kingdom of the Moonelves. Their High King has formed a rigid caste system. Those who do not obey are brought to The Exile to dig for gold in the mines of Port Starlit.

In the east the remnants of the Humans of the North struggle with the increasing influence of The Ice Wizards and their eternal winter.

In the Midlands the minor faction of the dwarves has shut their halls while the Enlighted Abbey fights desperately against the Order of Twelve and their army of ghosts.

The new factions of the Free Elves and Humans of the South might be the last hope. They escaped from the perils of the north to The Isle Without Name.


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I just played my first game yesterday with a friend. We only made it to the end of the fourth Era and will have to finish up on another day but I thought I could already show what we have so far.

My Screed (a swamp weed with mind-altering effects) smoking Swamp Elves on the left were lucky with their expansions even though the necromancer on the Dead Isle in the southeast did cause some trouble.

My friend's humans had a tougher time with Dwarves ravaging their lands to the north and blood-drinking pirates destroying their settlement in the south.

We'll have to see what awaits our factions in the final Era. :D

Nice!  What program did you use for the map, is that Aggie.io?

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I thought about using aggie.io but I thought it would be better to have a dice roller within the same program so I used roll20.net and we just used the simple draw tools there.

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I didn't think of Roll20, great idea!

*Update 8/7/21

I've added a "game length" section at the bottom of the rulebook.  Let me know how these play out if you go for something other than Standard.  

If you have more than 2 or 3 empires you may need a bigger piece of paper, and more time in the day!

That's great.

I was actually thinking about additional rules to make the world and faction creation even greater. That's up to the individual of course, but I thought a cool addition (especially if you're playing solo) would be to roll events for hostile neighbors and tribes as well. So that they don't just grow when you roll it but have their own chance at expansion and even their own enemies which could become your allies. :D

This is of course on a much bigger scale but I thought it could be a ton of fun. I'll probably do an epic solo campaign soon to see what kind of world I can create. ;)

Go for it!  You can also break a map up into 12 parts, one for each major faction and play it out. Would take a very long time though!

Nvm

Im slightly confused on where each era ends, i might just be dumb and not see it, or it could be based on your imagination i guess?

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I had so much fun! Here's my solo map (done with inkarnate):


Shimmering Guards: Lizardfolk with shiny, yellow skin due to abundant Golden Fish consumption. When their fort was destroyed, the general public accused Jark (pictured on the left, going back home after a hearty meal); however, a thorough investigation led by the government officials found the halflings guilty. They subsequently waged war for Sanditon, a small settlement of the Halfling Confederacy as a "proportionate response". This was a smashing success for the lizardfolk, who prospered with their newly-found Scorching Sand. 

Lebensfel: Giants who rely on and venerate extremely sturdy Dark Birch to construct their cities. They would immediately replant any tree they had to cut down. When the Shimmering Guards straight up massacred the Birch to connect cities (with a handy market in the middle), many Lebensfel giants demanded vengeance. Instead, the royal family erected a beautiful mausoleum for the fallen (trees). This somehow led to a rebellion. 

The Unyielding League: Giants who left Lebensfel to found their own faction and take revenge on the Shimmering Guards. They couldn't do much for a while; but in the end, a mysterious allience with an undisclosed society helped them get rid of the lizardfolk in the continent. There are reports that they are now building ships... 

Wow! That’s a great looking map 😀

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I did a solo game and I found the world-building experience to be very enjoyable! Here's a map of my solo game:

This game saw the Bassicons (a civilization starting in Mouthico, a settlement on the river mouth of a lake) rise as a power stretching from Rivola (a farming town) to Necow (a former necromancy tower that harvested cow steel, a made-up alloy that is analogous to pig iron, for their skeleton raiders until being conquered in a decisive battle). However, soon the empire fell after a rebellion causing the Reefic Republic to gain independence, and their homeland settlements started to fall to disasters and attacks from the Lumbarvi (Elves harvesting burnwood, which has a melting point higher than man-made fires).

I’ve played through many games but never managed to get an empire fully killed off.  What was the final roll that burned the capital?

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The Capital fell because of disaster if I recall correctly. The first settlement that fell was the Burnsilica due to a monstrous fire (the monks there went too far with their study of fire). Then the empire had the rebellion from the Reefic Republic. Before the capital fell, Rivola was destroyed by a hostile invasion from the elves.

The destruction of Mouthico was the final roll I did for the game (as it was the 2nd roll for the last age), so when it happened I simply left the map the way it was. I found my world to be a grand story of the rise and fall of a multi-island empire, and the fall of Mouthico was the perfect end to that story in my opinion.

And besides, losing is fun!

This looks like it could be fun to use with Microscope. Use Mappa Imperium to design the world, use Microscope to do the history.

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Small error on the 1.1 Island Table: rolling a 5 is listed as a second "2". Seems really fun from watching the stream! I'm currently playing around with it singleplayer.

ah, good catch.  I’ve been working on tidying up a few other spots as well, I’ll get an update posted shortly.

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First off, love the idea for this game. Looks like a lot of fun solo and in a group. I'll see if a few of my friends are interested in trying it out with me.
And on the tidying up front, I found a typo (I thought it was two but now I can only find the one ^^' ). On page 10 at the bottom by "12" there is an L in "Expands" that doesn't belong. ;)

fixed!  thank you

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Ooh, looks nice. I'll be sure to use this in making some maps for my D&D campaigns.

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I think it'd work great for d&d campaigns.  Possibly done along with your players to help get them invested into the world.

Hey, dude, like your game. Want to test it with forum text-only format. 

If you do send a picture, I'd like to see that.  You can share it here or #mappaimperium on twitter

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